Man dies after altercatiion with WC Deputies.

[Unchained]

The academy must be as bad as the Department Of Corrections so-called self-defense training. Such precious little time we had to be trained. We all learned "on the job" [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[imported_ut1]

Folks, there's a Mom out there today with a broken heart. There's a Dad out there who's asking himself if he could have done better by his son. There's a brother out there who is carrying a heavy load for his grieving Mom and Dad. Let's remember that these are our neighbors, and a tragedy like this need never to be repeated.
I feel for the police officers, who put their lives on the line, who have sworn "to protect and to serve", and have been compelled against their will to resort to deadly force. I'm sure there are many sleepless nights ahead for all involved. Let us remember them in prayer.

[Gotch]

Yeah, I've heard about the D.O.C.'s self defense training [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I have a friend and former student who has worked both in Va. and South Carolina as a DOC officer. Keep in mind that he is 6'4" 255-260 lbs. a skilled boxer, kickboxer, and grappler and placed second in the nation in the heavy weight division in sports Jiu-Jitsu a few years back. He can't talk about the training without getting mad or laughing his head off.

I would certainly be willing to come to the aid of a partner in trouble, I've done it, many times, unarmed and sometimes against armed drunks. It ain't no fun but it has to be done.

[Unchained]

I understand the mad part, but never could bring myself to laugh when i saw my brothers in arms busted up because the D.O.C wanted to do TAE-BO instead of hand to hand.

[Craes]

I think we do need to remember all involved, the family is greiving the loss of one their own.

However I agree with Unchained, you never know.

It was not a domestic violence call they were serving a warrant on the woman, who did not have anything to do with what happened. We don't know we weren't there, I think at the point where the guy took off and rammed several other vehicles (my understanding is there were kids there) they had to protect them. Not to mention at least one was being dragged by the car. But hey it don't matter lets let the drunk man take off, lets let him leave with nothing more than a close call with the popo. Who cares, someone could have gotten hurt if they had done something. I know someone did get hurt, that guy was given a choice to stop that car, HE made the choice to make matters worse as well. But a lot of what is on here is the cops were wrong they should not have bothered the guys yeah sure lets let em go about their business, they were dangerous enough to ram 3 cars, then they were dangerous enough for police intervention.

I don't know the guy, I can't say he was a horrible man cause I don't know, I know that it was a bad situation and the police need our support, not people saying well they shoulda done this or that. We were not in that situation (no matter how many times you have been in aggressive situations before) you don't know how you will act in one. I was a tech at a home for mentally ill people with intemittent explosive disorder, you can call that what you want but I was verbally and physically threatened and each situation was different.

[imported_UKCats1]

I was at ROSP as an officer for six years and I know what you are talking about. I saw the first assault at ROSP by shanks and there was nothing that could be done. The training that we got was okay but the self defense side was lacking. They were placing a lot of faith in the shotguns and the electronic equipment. Back then Mr. Deeds would ask an officer why did he not shoot, now they ask why did you shoot. Let me tell you something do not be too rushed to judge those officers that were involved in the shooting. It is too easy to look back and say what should of happened. They had only seconds to make a life or death decision and in my opinion if it comes down to an officer getting killed or a convict the convict can die every time.

[Unchained]

You will never hear me question when an officer shoots. We all know the consequenses when it happens, and if a man shoots, it's because he feels he has no other option. It always killed me to hear the public questioning us. Ignorance: if you're not there, you have no clue.

[imported_elp6n]

I agree.

It's easy enough for the rest of us to sit in the comfort of our own homes and say "Well if it was me then I would have (blah blah blah)..."

You have to be there in the heat of the moment to appreciate the end result.

In a home/conversational setting those officers may very well have said they'd do something different in such a situation. But thinking the matter over in the safety of your own home and drawing a decision is much different than being there and having to make split-second decisions.

[retiredteach]

Just my two cents worth, but I believe we question too many things sometimes.

It's not about questioning. It's about what happened. As i said not questioning the officers for firing.
But one thing i will question. Why was the warrants just being served? 12:30 am and your serving felony warrants at a known highly recognized area? And on a female.
Like i said i had a friend in similiar condition. Only thing the man didn't pull a weapon. But he let his intentions be known, if he caught him out.
And UkCats i think me and Unchained, have seen a lot of what is the old saying blood on the floor.
When it comes to that you do what you have to. No matter what. And you always take up for a fellow co-worker, some even if you don't like them? Right or wrong? They still wear the same uniform?
Only thing i am glad about. This was late and didn't happen during school hrs.
The officers responded according to what they were faced with.
But don't think that didn't forever change their lives and many others. Read ut1's post.
This isn't a big city. And as many who like to think it's common at a prison. Well no it isn't. It happens but not every day.
Im not nieve to the world.
But you know sometimes a little common sense goes a heck of a long ways. You had a person come get involved. Arrest their drunk ass. That way your partner is never put in harm and no one dies.
And as i have and will say if it was me or a co-worker.
I wouldn't hesitated for a second to fire. With deadly force or to use it as needed. Firearm or by hand.